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发表于 2006-6-11 17:29 | 显示全部楼层
个人认为,虽然TOP 君现对TW看空,真是顺应了那句话"爱之深,恨之切",如果不是喜欢他,怎会如此关心他,有点恨铁不成钢的感觉,哈哈,笑谈,别介意.
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发表于 2006-6-11 17:43 | 显示全部楼层
天威的確錯過了很好的時機
我知道他們在2005年中前是絲毫沒有想著分拆YINGLI上市, 不是不懂是根本沒有“本能2”
STP的風光著實啟發了管理者, 但也沒有什麼像樣的作為
我去年就說過如果天威早就把新光收入囊中(以05年的環境不是沒可能)
再引進投行徹底重組YINGLI, 可以想像是怎樣的結果

“人已去,大不同”
我除了惋惜  還是惋惜
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发表于 2006-6-11 17:56 | 显示全部楼层
ps:如果yinglisolar能成功IPO的话,不知道是否会存在天威以新光硅增资的方式,增加对yingli的股份,以保证对yingli的控股权。当然这是后话了。

不管怎么说,对于550在二级市场的争夺仍然会持续的,所以对于股价短期的走势不应报太大的希望。

没有哪个机构敢轻易的看空PV行业,也就比如说没有哪个机构敢轻易看空有色一样。
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发表于 2006-6-11 17:58 | 显示全部楼层
我想这就是中国特色,TW高层只是想搞企业,对证券市场资本运作确是不如你TOP君娴熟,但我想恨归恨,我想现阶段,对TW如果推一把,就可能是天天国,踩一脚,可能就是地狱,现在不是斗气时,我想TOP君能提出好的合理化建议对大家都有好处,哈哈对否
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发表于 2006-6-11 17:59 | 显示全部楼层
公司是做出来的不是靠媒体吹出来的;该来的都会来的!投机的来投机好了,投资的投资好了。有人说中国没有一家好公司,都是骗子公司,大家说呢?!此话正确性不用去考证,但说明一个问题“诚信”是市场的根本!管理层一定会....!
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发表于 2006-6-11 18:03 | 显示全部楼层
這個論壇不是發怨氣的地方  我也绝对不是你想的那类人
其實我已經說的很明瞭, 現在都在觀望, 我也希望0550有個新的契機
之前很長一段時間我根本不去懷疑什麼, 但現在坦白講我沒之前那麼有信心
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发表于 2006-6-11 18:06 | 显示全部楼层
抛开基本面不谈,550最近的走势确实让人心寒。

资本具有逐利性,这点是无可厚非的。这本身就是一个信息不对称的社会。

现在正位于一个信心的临界点。

期待明天的表演。
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发表于 2006-6-11 18:18 | 显示全部楼层
1.凯华的现成厂房马上就可以变成英利的组建车间和仓库,加班是必须的
2.我不明白那些大的战略投资机构为什么没有在公司的这次交流会出现?
3.我们应该明白,增发的价格受到相关部门,承销商,大股东和参与机构的因素影响,为什么一定要从单一的角度考虑?
4.新光的问题,只有天威没有输掉的可能.

建议TOP要放松,珠海新开业的海泉湾--香港中旅投资30亿的一期已经开业,不错.该休息时候要休息.
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发表于 2006-6-11 18:44 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 franklyer 于 2006-6-11 18:18 发表

我不明白那些大的战略投资机构为什么没有在公司的这次交流会出现?
我们应该明白,增发的价格受到相关部门,承销商,大股东和参与机构的因素 ...


這就是我說的此次增發的不如意的地方, 我希望是一步臭招, 而不是一步錯棋
(有關增發話題到此為止, 不想再去說什麼)

香港天天大雨, 還是不要出去的好, 不過還是多謝
你也要多愛惜身體, 還有很多人靠著你
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发表于 2006-6-11 18:47 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 the_top 于 2006-6-11 16:56 发表
在論壇裏看到最顯眼的一個字就是“莊”
或許這就是多年中國股市遺留的一個“結”所在
股票漲了是莊家拉升, 跌了是莊家洗盤抑或出貨
其實我想說的是“天下無莊”, 莊家呼风唤雨的年代已经逝去

去年底我就說過 ...


同意the_top这段话.
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发表于 2006-6-11 19:02 | 显示全部楼层
口水太多,怨气太浓,牢骚太盛
就象世界杯时节没男人爱的女人,深宫怨妇
貌似谁在忽悠谁,其实都是一条船上的何必呢

涨多了调整一下太正常了,急啥,静静等就是
还需要四到九周的缩量盘整,怕个鸟
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发表于 2006-6-11 20:11 | 显示全部楼层
老实说从基本面看天威:英利肯定不错,没问题,不用怀疑; 风能刚开始,应该也较有潜力;现在唯一让人担心的是变压器,硅钢片和铜涨得很高,季报中说,二季度将为提高变压器的价格,以应对变压器利润率的下滑,各位看官,能不能重点放在变压器上,查查天威的变压器,或市场上变压器有没有大幅提价!必竟天威不仅仅只有太阳能!

[ 本帖最后由 lehuanlate 于 2006-6-11 20:50 编辑 ]
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发表于 2006-6-11 20:35 | 显示全部楼层
June 09, 2006
Solar Market Forecast Rosy, High Prices
A preliminary draft of the PHOTON Consulting's (Germany) Solar Annual 2006 has been posted and forecasts an optimistic future for the solar industry.  Some highlights:

Six-fold production growth (40 to 50% annual growth) through the end of the decade.
Demand will significantly exceed supply through the end of the decade.
Production will reach at least 10 GW by 2010 (530% growth versus 2005).
Production of Si feedstock rising from 32,000 tons in 2005 to at least 85,000 tons in 2010.
Silicon usage per W to improve by more than 30%, from 10.5 g/W today to 7 g/W in 2010.
Realistic potential for non-c-Si to expand from 0.15 GW (9% market share) in 2005 to 2 GW (20% market share) in 2010.
With demand outstripping supply, prices will remain firm and revenue will expand quickly from $12.4 bn in 2005 to $18.8 bn in 2006 (51% growth) and $27 bn in 2007 (44% growth).
Costs are falling 7 to 10% throughout the supply chain (with exception of silicon) and pre-tax margins will continue to expand from 25% in 2005 to more than 30% in 2006 and more than 35% in 2007.
Modular global average selling price ($/W) will increase from $3.70 in 2005 to $4.50 in 2007 and then down to $4.00 in 2010.
Installed system global average selling price ($W) will increase from $7.53 in 2005 t0 $8.00 in 2006 and then decrease to $6.95 in 2010.
Up companies with the strongest growth prospects include REC, Tokuyama and Hemlock.
In the middle of the supply chain, Evergreen, Motech, Q-Cells, REC, Sharp, SolarWorld, SunPower and Suntech appear likely to achieve explosive growth.
(前景一片光明。。。。。。。。,SHINE说说看法)
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发表于 2006-6-11 21:34 | 显示全部楼层

必须承认天威到目前还不能成之为优秀的公司

但有一点一定不要忘记,天威的领军人确不是一般的人物,看看集团公司的老国企的痕迹,再看看股份公司的骨干是年轻人,包括外派公司的,丁强做了他应该做的.我们必须在理想和现实之间做出选择,至于公司的资本运做,投资者关系管理,和必要潜在投资者的推介,等等公司需要做的事情很多,但请给公司一定的时间.
英利目前海外上市,目前正处于沉静期间,这是正常的,PRO-IPO也有搏奕的,但是没有这个环节,直接IPO,对估价的影响top应该比任何人清楚.这样看来公司还是把股东的利益放在首位的,毕竟管理层也是有股份的.
同意天威没有庄的结论.
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发表于 2006-6-11 21:47 | 显示全部楼层
说到根本,这次增发,如果某个QFII不是由于技术的原因而是集中用单一的持有,那么最的大赢家不应该是海富通,那么股价也就不应该有这么大的波动,这和其他大家想的原因没有任何关系.起码和威迷无关.所以对有些机构的举动我同情也理解.

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发表于 2006-6-11 21:59 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 franklyer 于 2006-6-11 21:47 发表
说到根本,这次增发,如果某个QFII不是由于技术的原因而是集中用单一的持有,那么最的大赢家不应该是海富通,那么股价也就不应该有这么大的波动,这和其他大家想的原因没有任何关系.起码和威迷无关.所以对有些机构的举 ...

550的大股东难道不了解吗? 为什么结果还是这样?
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发表于 2006-6-11 22:05 | 显示全部楼层
还有政府管理部门!公司怎么能和政府说清楚?说清楚又有什么用?
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发表于 2006-6-11 22:11 | 显示全部楼层

PHOTON CONSULTING SOLAR ANNUAL 2006(初稿06-06-09)

PHOTON CONSULTING SOLAR ANNUAL 2006

Michael Rogol, Paul Choi, Joel Conkling, Anthony Fotopoulos, Keith Peltzman, Scott Roberts

Executive Summary (rough draft*)

The solar power sector is sprinting ahead of our previous estimates – production growth, price increases and cost reductions are stronger than expected. The sector achieved 44% volume growth 50% revenue growth and 149% profit growth in 2005. Rising residential grid prices, robust policy support and new sales channels are driving six-fold production growth (40 to 50% annual growth) through the end of the decade. Initially, this rapid expansion of production raised our concern that a »glut« might reduce prices and margins. However, interviews with 400+ solar power executives and policy makers in 10 geographic markets have fortified our conviction that demand will significantly exceed supply through the end of the decade, that prices are likely to remain high, and that margins are likely to continue expanding for at least 3 more years. Overall, we suspect that many managers and analysts are significantly underestimating the sector’s strong prospects for volume, price and earnings. This report highlights several of the industry’s strongest sprinters, including Conergy, Evergreen, First Solar, GT Solar, Hemlock, M Setek, Motech, PowerLight, Q-Cells, REC, Sharp, SolarWorld, SunPower, Suntech, and Tokuyama.

Solar production increasing six-fold by 2010

Supply: 10 GW by 2010. Solar production increasing six-fold by 2010   Supply: 10 GW by 2010. A review of 1,000+ solar companies, 400+ interviews and 50+ site visits have convinced us that production will reach at least 10 GW by 2010 (530% growth versus 2005). The bulk of this will remain crystalline silicon (c-Si) solar cells/modules With production of high purity Si feedstock rising from 32,000 tons in 2005 to at least 85,000 tons in 2010, at least 60 to 65,000 tons will be available for the solar sector. At the same time, increasing cell efficiencies and decreasing waste will enable silicon usage per W to improve by more than 30%, from 10.5 g/W today to 7 g/W in 2010. The result is that total c-Si cell/module production will likely be 8 GW or more by 2010 In addition, we see even stronger growth of non-c-Si technologies (CdTe, a-Si, CIS, µc-Si) capable of filling a portion of demand unmet by c-Si. There is realistic potential for non-c-Si to expand from 0.15 GW (9% market share) in 2005 to 2 GW (20% market share) in 2010. There is upside for both c-Si and non-c-Si beyond our forecasts.

Demand will outstrip supply through at least 2008, probably 2010

Demand: No »glut.« There is much, much more demand than capacity, and demand is growing faster than supply. Today, the global demand is approximately 5 GW for modules at prices of $3.50 to $4.50/W. This is far greater than production (2.4 GW in 2006), with the result being a 15% increase in module prices and average pre-tax margins above 30% for the overall sector in 2006. By 2008, we expect demand will expand to 8 to 10 GW at current prices compared with capacity of only 5 GW. Two important drivers of demand appear likely to fuel very strong growth of solar. First, residential grid prices are rising quickly in many markets as high hydrocarbon prices are passed through to residential customers. 2008 prices for residential grid electricity appear likely to be 30 to 40% higher than 2005 prices in many markets. Second, the political case for solar is getting stronger due to high energy prices, climate change and national security concerns, and an increasing number of solar jobs. In this setting, we believe significant reductions of existing solar programs are unlikely and that there is realistic potential for global solar policy spending to increase from $1.7bn in 2005 to $15bn by 2010. Both of these factors – significant increase in grid prices and policy spending that is expanding faster than production – make it likely that demand will outstrip supply through at least 2008, perhaps 2010.

Managers and analysts are underestimating prices and profits. Price and profit: Consensus too conservative. Based on interviews with executives who oversee more than 80% of industry volume and fund managers who oversee more than 70% of the industry’s float, we are convinced that consensus is far too conservative. Specifically, we believe that most business plans and models for this sector include assumptions about volume, price and margins that are unrealistically low. With demand outstripping supply, prices will remain firm and revenue will expand quickly from $12.4 bn in 2005 to $18.8 bn in 2006 (51% growth) and $27 bn in 2007 (44% growth). At the same time, costs are falling 7 to 10% throughout the supply chain (with exception of silicon) and pre-tax margins will continue to expand from 25% in 2005 to more than 30% in 2006 and more than 35% in 2007. By 2010, there is realistic potential for revenue of at least $70 bn in 2010 (40% CAGR 2005 to 2010) and for pre-tax profit to grow at least as quickly. For the last three years, many business managers and analysts have been too conservative in their evaluations of the sector. We recommend incorporating stronger volume, price and margin assumptions into strategies and models.

Top companies are running fast to establish leadership positions

Strongest sprinters. The leading solar companies are in a full-sprint to grow even faster than the overall sector and establish sustainable long-term advantages. As we screened the sector, we have sought to identify »industry leaders« and »meteoric growth companies.« Upstream companies with the strongest growth prospects include REC, Tokuyama and Hemlock. In the middle of the supply chain, Evergreen, Motech, Q-Cells, REC, Sharp, SolarWorld, SunPower and Suntech appear likely to achieve explosive growth. Downstream, Conergy is likely to remain the world’s top integrator. All of these companies have realistic potential to exceed 10 percent global market share within their segment by 2010. Others with potential for meteoric rise include Carmanah, First Solar, GT, M Setek, and PowerLight. This report turns a spotlight on each of these sprinters to evaluate their growth potential over the next five years.

Solar Industry Estimates   
2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010
Global cell/module production (GW) 1.2 1.65 2.37 3.4 5.0 7.6 10.4
Growth (%)  44% 44% 43% 48% 51% 37%
c-Si cell/module production (GW) 1.1 1.5 2.1 2.7 3.9 6.1 8.4
Non-c-Si (MW) 0.07 0.15 0.28 0.70 1.12 1.50 2.00
Non-c-Si market share (%) 6% 9% 12% 21% 22% 20% 19%
Module global avg. selling price ($/W) $3.25 $3.70 $4.25 $4.50 $4.50 $4.25 $4.00
Inst. system global avg. selling price ($/W) $7.25 $7.53 $8.00 $7.97 $7.79 $7.36 $6.95

* This is a rough draft. A final version will be released in July 2006. All data, companies and comments are preliminary and are subject to change.

Note: The authors express their appreciation to CLSA Asia-Pacific Markets, publisher of previous research on solar power sector including Sun Screen (July 2004) and Sun Screen II (July 2005).
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发表于 2006-6-11 23:03 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2006-6-11 23:06 | 显示全部楼层
有人总批评我说那些基本面人士,其实道理很简单,能真正透彻把握基本面的人士少之又少,即使大资金也是如此,靠一些基本的消息就以为能掌握一个公司未来发展的想法是天方夜谈,各方利益的冲突的复杂会导致基本面的变数极多,美国的安然尚且如此,更何况法制极差的中国,不是说天威不好,而是任何一只股票往往高位害死的都是一些好像对表面基本面很了解的人士.所以各位(能理解的朋友)还是要做好两手准备,毕竟基本面的真好或假好是要从股价的技术面上体现出来的,而这肯定是一各渐进的过程,有足够的时间让你做出反应!
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