各位高手，给你100万你会如何来操作？

红色中国

Originally posted by YLIT at 2005-9-13 19:52
不是高手，但有两中说法：

1、 给我或是给我操作，如果是第一种情况，嘿嘿，怎么做与你无关。如果是第二种，看第二条。
2 、你的风险承担能力如何？你的收益预期如何？你的分成比例如何？其余看第三条。
  ...

1.赠送可能性很小，自然是有你来操作。
2。风险承担能力：保证剩余80％的原始资金！收益预期：决定与操作者的操作水平！你的分成比例：收益越高操作者的收益越大:受益<20％ 分成30％ 每提高受益10％分成增加5％，最高分成70%!其余看第三条。
3。时间依一年为限，其他条件再行讨论。

biobuck

2。风险承担能力：保证剩余80％的原始资金！收益预期：决定与操作者的操作水平！你的分成比例：收益越高操作者的收益越大:受益<20％ 分成30％ 每提高受益10％分成增加5％，最高分成70%!其余看第三条。

Not bad at all for the commission rate.
  
100 mil = $120,000, it is an okay size.  If 50% return the fee will be $60,000X40%=$24,000.  ummmm not much(about 3 or 4 times of my daily fluctuation)!  Need to get higher return for higher pay.  ;-)  If 100% return, payment will be 70%X120,000=$84,000.  Not bad at all!  But to get this kind of return, you have to use leverage.


Stock options!!! (not sure if there are stock options in china).  
Use  Long-term Equity AnticiPation Security, or "LEAP"  to get the leverage since the more I make the more I get paid.  ;-)

Good Luck!

谁怕谁

梦做的很好，可惜没有用，根本不会有人给你100万。如果真的天上掉钱，你很快就会输光，钱来的快，去的也快。

有考虑这个的时间，还不如想想怎么把你的小钱变大钱呢。

aiai_guozi

有了一百万，就不着急炒股了，先放起一部分，剩下的作中线好了。

天道酬勤④

如果现有的方法能盈利，那就继续稳定的执行
如果不能，那就用10000元先实战学习，直到稳定盈利为止，然后投剩下的99W一起玩

芫荽

要想得到别人尊重
先要学会尊重别人
还以为是问假如有人送给俺一百万怎么花呢，敢情是寻求代理呀。
重新回答一次，
首先俺不做代理。假如，有人让我代理还要问我怎么操作，我会对他说“白白”。因为能有资格评价我的操作的人一定比我水平高，没我水平高就不要指手画脚，讲好各方面的条件以后，我负责干活，你负责分钱。
呵呵，假设而已，其实俺亏得一塌糊涂呢。
认真回答一下，免得有些不懂得尊重别人的人说俺不懂得尊重别人。

jueshielang

以上的同志门所说我没常不赞同...
你听就可以知道你们是处于所谓的穷人理论之中...
也许你们咎其一生都活在老鼠赛跑的圈子了..
一百万其实是一个很小的数目...
也可以说是很大一比数目..如果拿去挥赫很快你又会堕如穷人之行列
但他在我眼睛里不是资产...还是一种基金...让我富有让我变成正真富人的基金...至于具体实施还要看当时状况

红色中国

如果你能够拿出每年50％以上的实战交易记录，找你做的资金不止100W！

红色中国

对于中等规模的资金管理，和小资金的运用还是有许多差别的，当资金达到一定程度，没有一套合适的、完整的资金管理方案是不行的。相比基金管理公司，我们的优势是人员少，劣势是管理不够规范。加强资金管理，提高盈利能力是必然的出路。

biobuck

如果你能够拿出每年50％以上的实战交易记录，找你做的资金不止100W！

Are you serious looking for someone to trade this account?  
Well, how much are we talking about?  100W is only about half of my personal trading account.  Will you be able to open a trading account in US?

meipiqi

首先选择自己最熟悉的盈利模式，合理的资金配置，最后严格的风险控制。

爱吃土豆

Originally posted by biobuck at 2005-9-14 03:13
Since you have no idea about how to deal with the 100 mil.  I assume you have limited knowledge of investing or you won't ask the question.  So find someone who really knows and with proven record! ...

这位兄弟的英语水平不错啊:*9*:

红色中国

Originally posted by biobuck at 2005-9-14 13:28


Not bad at all for the commission rate.
  
100 mil = $120,000, it is an okay size.  If 50% return the fee will be $60,000X40%=$24,000.  ummmm not much(about 3 or 4 times of my daily fluctuati ...

你好，100W人民币在中国对于大多数人来说是一笔不小的财富，换成美元也就$120,000在美国这的确不是很多。
受益的大小取决与操作者的水平，如何让资金拥有者相信你的水平呢，这是一个关键，如果受益不能超过20％时，资金拥有者会承担更多的风险。
至于是否可以使用杠杆，取决与操作者的系统和方法，可以参与的品种可以是多样化的股票、期货、外汇都可以，关键再也是否能够控制资金的下降不能超过80％。

红色中国

Originally posted by jueshielang at 2005-9-14 19:54
以上的同志门所说我没常不赞同...
你听就可以知道你们是处于所谓的穷人理论之中...
也许你们咎其一生都活在老鼠赛跑的圈子了..
一百万其实是一个很小的数目...
也可以说是很大一比数目..如果拿去挥赫很快你又 ...

如何实现资金的增值，对于一个人尤其是一个人生态度积极向上的人，是他更多考虑的问题，不知你有何高见，能仔细谈谈你的看法，能谈谈你的采用的方法更好。

biobuck

使用杠杆,  more volitilty.  控制资金的下降不能超过80% anytime? or a few months? or annually?  Different time frames make huge difference here.  High risk, high reward.  Low risk, low reward.  No risk, zero reward.  Very difficult to maintain 下降不能超过80%.  The bid/ask spread could be 5% some even more.  So right there you will be down 5% or 10% already for a part of your portifolio.  If the market  go into a small down trend (5%) and all your positions take another 5% and your 杠杆 take about 10-20% hit.  All of sudden you are very close to 15%-20% temporaty drawdown.  A bad streak, you will be over 80%.  The guy will be out of the game before his portifolio has a chance to get going.

To avoid the above scenario, the person will probably start out by only deploying about 30-50% of the total capital and put the rest into something like treasure bond etc for a small 5-6% return.  This way, he can stay in the game a bit longer if the above scenario occurs.  But the drawback is that with less than 50% capital used, it will take some time for the whole account to build a nice 10-20% (meaning 20-40% returh for the 50% deployed) cushion before he can finally use the 100%.  Therefore, his return for the first year is unlikely to be good because this handicap.

鹰飞鱼潜

BIOBUCK，对于你的讲法我同意一半，那就是风险分析的部分，特别是引入杠杆产生的风险。但在资金使用策略上，似乎过多的关注了收益（或分成），而没有由此考虑风险（OUT OF THE GAME），或者说，你的重心是在如何使收益最大化，而非在二者间找到一个平衡位置，即，风险最小话（STAY IN THE GAME），收益最大化。

至于第一年收益的好坏，首先取决于市场，其次取决于操作的思路，最后，取决于资金的使用策略。从一般意义上讲，一年的操作期限应该足够了，完全可以反应操作者的风格。

红色中国

投机市场的根本在于首先要保证原始资金 的安全，保证自己能够继续战斗，然后才是盈利，获利的多少往往取决与市场，保证资金稳中有升，方为上策，孙子兵法言：先为不可胜，而后求胜，可胜在敌，不可胜在己。YLIT观点非常中肯。

大地飞鹰

年收益5%（国债的收益）以下所有收益归你，5%以上我抽去25%盈利。
盈亏按我运作的帐户总和计算，其中有一部分的是我本人的。涉足的领域有国债、转债、基金、证券、外汇五个。

biobuck

This turns out to be a great topic and makes me thinking again.

YOu both are right from a capital preservation point of view.  Of course the owner of the fund will have to decide if the fund is for captical preservation or capital appreciation.  But there is a balance there.  Higher rewards alwasy comes with higher risk.  IF the fund wants to be safe, the return will be small.  The low risk and high reward plays don't EXIST!  That is my point.  Realistically for a risk level of 20%, how much return would you expect?  I shoudl start a poll to see find it out here.  But I can't do the chinese part.  YLIT, perhpas you can post a poll in chinese and let us find out.  It will be very interesting.

I am currently  reading Michael Covel's  book <<Trend Following: How Great Traders Make Millions in Up or Down Markets>>.  In this book he studied why the big time trend followers and fund managers such as Bill Dunn, John W. Henry won monsterous profits by trend following.  At one point in later 1990, these great trend followers like Bill Dunn had a few serious drawdowns  in a very short peroid of time (down~50%) which caused one major player withdraw completely from the fund and there was even articles claiming trend followers are DEAD.  WHat happened is in the next 3 months following the big draw down, they made something like 500- 600%.    Trend followers sufferred when there were no trends to follow and their systems would  get wipsawed resulting drawdowns.  Their systems often have high volitility. But when there are trends they would have killed the market and make back the drawdown and a lot MORE!.  That is the nature of the trend following.  For the guy who took out his money after the 50% drawdown, he missed the big return and kept his losses.  Actually trend traders have so much confidence in their trend following systems they often PUT more money into their systems when they see a big drawdown like that.  Because they know the big profits will folllow very soon!!  To be able to make big return, one also need to endure some volitility likes these guys.  But with good systems their superiocity and winning formula will show over the time.  You just have to be patient!

Good Luck!

[ Last edited by biobuck on 2005-9-16 at 06:27 ]

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